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Post by jltownies on Dec 19, 2005 13:04:40 GMT -5
The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
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Post by jltownies on Dec 20, 2005 17:03:11 GMT -5
My husband's heart - his innermost being - does it completely trust me? In everything? Am I the one person he can safely confide in?
But here is what gets "wierd" to me. ??? I have always surface read the phrase "no need of spoil" and assumed a meaning something to the effect of he wouldn't have to worry about things spoiling - no loss to the husband. But in checking out the meaning of the word; both in the concordances and the dictionary, it actually is saying that he will have no need OF spoil, i.e. to take plunder, booty, spoil from elsewhere. :-/
I don't know how that applies with a wife? I understand the first clause, but not the second? How do they connect? The only thing I can think of is that when a man cannot trust his wife, particularly physically, that a situation like Proverbs 6:24-35 would arise?
Well, I am a bit stumped and hoping for more light. :) A Sister in Christ, Lori
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Post by Sister Michelle on Dec 21, 2005 11:43:05 GMT -5
Dear Ladies, I am sorry that I have not posted on this verse yet. I wanted to make sure that I was not misunderstood. :) I was so glad to read Sister Lori’s post and see the direction that God was leading her. My husband and I had been discussing this verse a couple months ago and when I told him what verse we were on he chuckled and asked if I would share what we had learned. I was not sure if I should but he said being as we are all married ladies he thought it would be a good idea. The thing that made us study this verse in depth was the phrase “no need of spoil” I wanted to know why the husband would have need of spoil My husband does not like me to spoil anything. :D Well we looked up the word spoil and yes it does have to do with the plunder that comes from war. And one of the things the Israelites were allowed to take for themselves were other wives. Deut 21:10-17 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his. God covered in great detail how the new wife was to be treated. But Proverbs tells us a wife that is virtuous will make sure her husband will have no need of this spoil But how do we as wives do this. First off I would like to say that Christian men today do not have God’s permission to take “spoils” but many men today are involved with mental adultery. By that I mean they get the encouragement from someone other than their own wives. They tell someone else their dreams. Some one else has become his best friend. I have a good friend who has pushed her husband into this. And yes I do believe it is her own fault. When a husband has physical needs we need to remember, “The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 1Co 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. Notice it says to come together again. And that refraining is to be by mutaual consent.” This lady will put her husbands needs off for months at a time. Just because she does not feel like it. Then when her husband does demand that his needs be fulfilled she thinks he is a sex pervert. She is so afraid that he is into pornography but what she does not see is if she would make herself available to him she would not need to fear. His heart would be hers. Not to get onto a controversial subject but this is where our grooming comes in and I am going to come right out and say it. If your husband prefers that you shave your legs, do it. Let his heart trust that you will please him. Also keep pretty nightgowns on hand. If he likes the kind you find at Victoria secret. Buy some. I find nothing funnier than to watch peoples faces as this modest covered lady goes into the store and asks for a specific kind of nightgown. ;D I always want to tell them. I do not fear my husband leaving me. I do not have to dress provocative all the time. He knows that his heart can trust in me. Also if you read Song of Solomon she perfumed her bed and kept aloes. Lotions. She found out what her husband wanted and she did it. Think of his needs. Keep your husband happy and he will trust his heart into your keeping. He will not need to wander from home. You will be the one that knows what he wants and how to please him. ;)
Once again I do not want to offend just want to share what we have learned. :) Please take all of this in the manner it has been given. I love all of you ladies and pray for each one of you daily. :)
In His Keeping, Michelle
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Post by robinva on Dec 21, 2005 13:51:22 GMT -5
Wow, I've never heard that verse explained that way before! I have always heard and taken it to mean that her husband trust her to take care of the affairs of the household. That is what happens when we "surface read" like Sis. Lori wrote. Nevertheless it is a very scriptural admonishment. BTW, no offense taken on any point. Robin
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Post by jltownies on Dec 21, 2005 14:53:24 GMT -5
Michelle,
That makes sooo much sense. Thank you alot for the post. And I'll be praying for you with all the physical ailments and healing and pregnancy.
A Sister in Christ, Lori
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Post by beeyeglad on Dec 26, 2005 19:26:14 GMT -5
Sisters,
I want to thank you for your insight into this scripture. I have read this chapter and heard about it all my life. I am learning a great deal from you all. I especially enjoyed the study on this verse. It made so much sense to me. I especially loved the comment on "Victoria's Secret." I have heard of those that don't believe in wearing such items, but Allen has referenced to Hebrews 13:4. I am not saying that this verse is definitely referring to this type of thing, but this is what this verse has meant to us in reference to such things as "bedroom wear". Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
I do once again want to thank you, Michelle for this board and to all who are helping with this study. I can't wait for the next verse. I am hungry and I am enjoying being fed here.
Blessings in His Name, Heather
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Post by jltownies on Dec 26, 2005 22:58:14 GMT -5
Just a thought - not a contradiction - about the victoria's secret kind of stuff.
I personally could never go into one of those places - just would be too embarrassed. But buying online is an option that maybe Christian ladies could explore and still maintain a decent testimony? I am not saying that going into one of those places is a bad testimony, but it could be a stumblingblock.
A Sister in Christ, Lori
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Post by Sister Michelle on Dec 27, 2005 9:08:24 GMT -5
I understand what Sister Lori is saying. Some people could take offense to some one shopping at Victoria's Secret. And yet I do not like to get the catalog delivered to my home because they will not mail it in an envelope. I have found it is so much less temptation for the men in my life, I do NOT want my boys to ever see stuff like that before they are married, for me to go shopping alone for the "bedroom wear" or I will sometimes go with my sister. I am always vocal to the clerks at the stores about a good strong marriage. It seems as if each time we are in the store there is some young girl and her boyfriend looking at the clothes. It saddens me that they feel this is something that is expected of them. I always want to let people know that marriages can be strong and lasting! :) But I understand what Lori is saying about going into the store. Everyone of us is different. Just a warning if you do buy something on line from them make sure that they are not adding you to their mailing list. :)
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